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	<title>Comments on: A Public Service Announcement: Some Hosts Overload Their Servers</title>
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		<title>By: Otheus</title>
		<link>http://www.phpbbdoctor.com/blog/2008/08/28/a-public-service-announcement-some-hosts-overload-their-servers/comment-page-1/#comment-3489</link>
		<dc:creator>Otheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Load is pretty meaningless. On most modern hardware, a high load (&gt;2 per CPU) is at best a poor indicator of possible problems. Usually a spike in load lags far behind the actual problem, which might be a blocked IO channel on a virtual host. A load less than 1 per CPU usually indicates -- but not always -- that the host is under-utilized.

Look, almost all servers these days (except for scientific computing and Java-based servers) are running stuff that is I/O bound. As soon as a process requests IO, there is a context switch and the possibility for the kernel to run another process. Since CPUs are so fast these days, and what web servers actually do so computationally frivolous, this IO/context-switching can happen 10 to 20 times &lt;em&gt;a second per process&lt;/em&gt;. This means you can easily have 10 processes &quot;waiting to run&quot; &lt;em&gt;that will run&lt;/em&gt; this second. I&#039;ve seen loads of 30 or 40 while the average CPU idle time was 80%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Load is pretty meaningless. On most modern hardware, a high load (&gt;2 per CPU) is at best a poor indicator of possible problems. Usually a spike in load lags far behind the actual problem, which might be a blocked IO channel on a virtual host. A load less than 1 per CPU usually indicates &#8212; but not always &#8212; that the host is under-utilized.</p>
<p>Look, almost all servers these days (except for scientific computing and Java-based servers) are running stuff that is I/O bound. As soon as a process requests IO, there is a context switch and the possibility for the kernel to run another process. Since CPUs are so fast these days, and what web servers actually do so computationally frivolous, this IO/context-switching can happen 10 to 20 times <em>a second per process</em>. This means you can easily have 10 processes &#8220;waiting to run&#8221; <em>that will run</em> this second. I&#8217;ve seen loads of 30 or 40 while the average CPU idle time was 80%.</p>
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		<title>By: A_O_C</title>
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		<dc:creator>A_O_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dont feel bad, my hosting provider is hosting 810 on my server   :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dont feel bad, my hosting provider is hosting 810 on my server   <img src='http://www.phpbbdoctor.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dave Rathbun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Rathbun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dogs and things wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;21:26:52 up 124 days, 2:09, 0 users, load average: 0.18, 0.29, 0.33&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It&#039;s good. :) It means your server has been up for a while without interuption. The load average of 0.18 is the immediate load, 0.29 is higher and reflects the load over the past 5 minutes, and 0.33 is higher still and reflects the average load over the past 15 minutes. It means your server was busier about fifteen minutes ago but is coming back down now. 

On my box, the top command aggregates all of the cpu&#039;s together, so my theoretical &quot;maximum&quot; load would be 4.0 since I have 4 cpu&#039;s and that would be 100% * 4. When I see a load of 0.20 overall it means that each cpu is contributing 0.05 to that number and my server is barely breaking a sweat. If you have a single cpu box a load of 0.33 means that you&#039;re loaded (one third of the cpu is busy) but not overly so. Some would argue that since my server rarely exceeds 2.0 (50% capacity) that I am paying too much for hardware that I don&#039;t need. But on the other hand, I also have hardware that can handle spikes in activity without going to its knees. :)

Here&#039;s what I got just a few minutes ago for my server:
&lt;pre&gt;16:00:32 up 190 days, 4:18, 1 user, load average: 0.38, 0.34, 0.28&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dogs and things wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>21:26:52 up 124 days, 2:09, 0 users, load average: 0.18, 0.29, 0.33</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s good. <img src='http://www.phpbbdoctor.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  It means your server has been up for a while without interuption. The load average of 0.18 is the immediate load, 0.29 is higher and reflects the load over the past 5 minutes, and 0.33 is higher still and reflects the average load over the past 15 minutes. It means your server was busier about fifteen minutes ago but is coming back down now. </p>
<p>On my box, the top command aggregates all of the cpu&#8217;s together, so my theoretical &#8220;maximum&#8221; load would be 4.0 since I have 4 cpu&#8217;s and that would be 100% * 4. When I see a load of 0.20 overall it means that each cpu is contributing 0.05 to that number and my server is barely breaking a sweat. If you have a single cpu box a load of 0.33 means that you&#8217;re loaded (one third of the cpu is busy) but not overly so. Some would argue that since my server rarely exceeds 2.0 (50% capacity) that I am paying too much for hardware that I don&#8217;t need. But on the other hand, I also have hardware that can handle spikes in activity without going to its knees. <img src='http://www.phpbbdoctor.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I got just a few minutes ago for my server:</p>
<pre>16:00:32 up 190 days, 4:18, 1 user, load average: 0.38, 0.34, 0.28</pre>
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		<title>By: Dog Cow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dog Cow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the exec() is disabled, use back ticks,

so just do this:

&lt;code&gt;echo `uptime`&lt;/code&gt;

If &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; doesn&#039;t work, then I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the exec() is disabled, use back ticks,</p>
<p>so just do this:</p>
<p><code>echo `uptime`</code></p>
<p>If <i>that</i> doesn&#8217;t work, then I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: dogs and things</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogs and things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi again,

It seems that your edit of Everett&#039;s code did wonders, now I receive echo. :P 

It says: 21:26:52 up 124 days, 2:09, 0 users, load average: 0.18, 0.29, 0.33

Is that good or bad numbers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again,</p>
<p>It seems that your edit of Everett&#8217;s code did wonders, now I receive echo. <img src='http://www.phpbbdoctor.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>It says: 21:26:52 up 124 days, 2:09, 0 users, load average: 0.18, 0.29, 0.33</p>
<p>Is that good or bad numbers?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Rathbun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Rathbun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micheal wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;How do you do it? :P I can barely get one comment on a post, nevermind 8 or 9.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Possibly a rhetorical question, but I will answer anyway. First, start your blog two years ago. :P It takes a long time to build a discussion board. It can just as long (or longer) to build a blog. For grins I went back and looked at the first page of posts for this blog. It started in May of 2006. There were 9 posts made between then and July of 2006. There were 11 comments made. Of those 11 comments, 8 were from me. :lol: If you find a pacing that works for you, and can stick with it, then people will get used to going to your blog on a regular basis. I have been guilty of several lapses in posting over the years this blog has been in place but have been able to recover. But I don&#039;t think I ever dropped out for more than five or six weeks straight.

I also make it a point to try to respond to any comment, and most especially to comments from first-time posters. Since I have Wordpress configured to require approval for the first post, it makes it a little easier to identify those folks.

@Everett, I think I was able to reformat your comment to show the code the way you wanted it to be shown. If I did it incorrectly, please let me know.

@dogs and things: some hosts disable the exec() function for security reasons. It&#039;s running an operating system level command, which could literally be just about anything. Do you know if you&#039;re running on a windows or linux host?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micheal wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>How do you do it? <img src='http://www.phpbbdoctor.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  I can barely get one comment on a post, nevermind 8 or 9.</p></blockquote>
<p>Possibly a rhetorical question, but I will answer anyway. First, start your blog two years ago. <img src='http://www.phpbbdoctor.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  It takes a long time to build a discussion board. It can just as long (or longer) to build a blog. For grins I went back and looked at the first page of posts for this blog. It started in May of 2006. There were 9 posts made between then and July of 2006. There were 11 comments made. Of those 11 comments, 8 were from me. <img src='http://www.phpbbdoctor.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />  If you find a pacing that works for you, and can stick with it, then people will get used to going to your blog on a regular basis. I have been guilty of several lapses in posting over the years this blog has been in place but have been able to recover. But I don&#8217;t think I ever dropped out for more than five or six weeks straight.</p>
<p>I also make it a point to try to respond to any comment, and most especially to comments from first-time posters. Since I have Wordpress configured to require approval for the first post, it makes it a little easier to identify those folks.</p>
<p>@Everett, I think I was able to reformat your comment to show the code the way you wanted it to be shown. If I did it incorrectly, please let me know.</p>
<p>@dogs and things: some hosts disable the exec() function for security reasons. It&#8217;s running an operating system level command, which could literally be just about anything. Do you know if you&#8217;re running on a windows or linux host?</p>
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		<title>By: Micheal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micheal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave: I got you beat. 740 on one server. :D Not mine, fortunately, but still.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave: I got you beat. 740 on one server. <img src='http://www.phpbbdoctor.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  Not mine, fortunately, but still.</p>
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		<title>By: dogs and things</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogs and things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Everett,

What am I supposed to do with that file, if I put it on my server and call it in my browser nothing shows, just the famous big blank space, but nothing is echoed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Everett,</p>
<p>What am I supposed to do with that file, if I put it on my server and call it in my browser nothing shows, just the famous big blank space, but nothing is echoed?</p>
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		<title>By: Micheal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micheal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you do it? :P I can barely get one comment on a post, nevermind 8 or 9. :P I guess I need to write some more technical content. I&#039;ll give you a run for your money, Dave. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you do it? <img src='http://www.phpbbdoctor.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  I can barely get one comment on a post, nevermind 8 or 9. <img src='http://www.phpbbdoctor.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  I guess I need to write some more technical content. I&#8217;ll give you a run for your money, Dave. <img src='http://www.phpbbdoctor.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dave Rathbun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Rathbun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micheal, to be honest the service I posted is not the one that I have historically used. I never bookmarked it because I was always able to find it easily, and now that I want to share it, I can&#039;t find it. :-? The &quot;ip neighbor&quot; tool does seem to work, but I stopped short of formatting it as a link (or putting it in a &quot;Related Links&quot; section at the bottom of my post as I often do) because I&#039;m not exactly endorsing it just yet. If I can find the service that I have been using for years, I will add it as a link.

Everett: to post code, it unfortunately needs to be in &quot;code&quot; brackets and you also have to convert the &lt; into the HTML equivalent of &lt; to make it show up.

For what I almost considered a &quot;throw-away&quot; post this topic certainly seems to have provided some value. :) It was really just posted for filler. :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micheal, to be honest the service I posted is not the one that I have historically used. I never bookmarked it because I was always able to find it easily, and now that I want to share it, I can&#8217;t find it. <img src='http://www.phpbbdoctor.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif' alt=':-?' class='wp-smiley' />  The &#8220;ip neighbor&#8221; tool does seem to work, but I stopped short of formatting it as a link (or putting it in a &#8220;Related Links&#8221; section at the bottom of my post as I often do) because I&#8217;m not exactly endorsing it just yet. If I can find the service that I have been using for years, I will add it as a link.</p>
<p>Everett: to post code, it unfortunately needs to be in &#8220;code&#8221; brackets and you also have to convert the &lt; into the HTML equivalent of &amp;lt; to make it show up.</p>
<p>For what I almost considered a &#8220;throw-away&#8221; post this topic certainly seems to have provided some value. <img src='http://www.phpbbdoctor.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  It was really just posted for filler. <img src='http://www.phpbbdoctor.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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